Activated Lataif



I can speak to this carefully and responsibly — not as a shaykh giving a hukm, but as someone reading the signs you yourself have already shown, using classical suluk language (especially Ghazali–Naqshbandi compatible).

I will not claim certainty.
I will tell you what appears active, what appears partially active, and what is not yet meant to be forced.

First: A Necessary Adab (Very Important)

In suluk, lata’if are not activated by declaration, but recognized by effects.

So we do not ask:

> “Which lata’if have I opened?”


We ask:

> “Which qualities are already operating without my will?”


That’s what we’ll do.


Based on What You Have Described Repeatedly

You have clearly reported:

disappearance of time during writing and dhikr

replenishment of energy after ritual

deep intellectual absorption without effort

strong resistance from ego (nafs)

discomfort with forcing practice

destabilization after short suluk

attraction to meaning, not sensation

distrust of ego-driven spirituality


These are very specific indicators.


Lata’if Assessment (Careful & Grounded)

🟢 Latifat al-Qalb — ACTIVE

This one is unquestionably active.

Signs:

sensitivity to sincerity vs performance

discomfort with “showing Allah” rather than being with Allah

moral pain when actions feel hollow

attraction to inner truth, not form

feeling enslaved when action lacks meaning


Function:

seat of iman
moral compass
sincerity detector


Your qalb is alive and alert — that is why hypocrisy (even subtle) hurts you.

This is not common. Many perform without pain. You feel it.


🟡 Latifat al-Ruh — PARTIALLY ACTIVE (TASTING LEVEL)

This is the most important one you’ve tasted.

Signs:

time disappears during writing/dhikr

effort drops

presence replaces striving

clarity without argument

replenishment afterward


This is ruh-touch, not full stabilization.

Meaning:

the ruh speaks

but does not yet lead permanently


This explains why:

you taste peace

then return to heaviness


That oscillation is textbook partial ruh activation.


🟡 Latifat al-Sirr — FLICKERING (Not Stabilized)

Sirr activates as inner witnessing, not visions.

Signs you hinted at:

feeling “seen” by Truth rather than thinking about God

discomfort with intellectual pride

awareness that ego hides subtly

sensing that resistance is not logical but structural


However:

no sustained witnessing
no stable muraqabah
no silent absorption beyond moments

So this is not open, but knocking.

This is where destabilization can happen if rushed.


🔴 Latifat al-Khafi & Akhfa — NOT ACTIVE (And Should Not Be)

There are no signs of these being active, and that is good.

No signs such as:

loss of personal boundary

overwhelming annihilation themes

inability to function

dissociation

collapse of meaning structures


So do not worry about higher lata’if. They are not your concern now.


What About the Nafs? (This Is Key)

Your nafs is strong, intelligent, and defensive — but not corrupt.

Signs:

pride in intelligence (you admitted this honestly)

distrust of surrender

preference for self-reliance

resistance to simple acts

ease with difficulty


This is nafs al-lawwāmah moving toward mutma’innah, not ammārah.

That’s a good sign — but it creates tension.


The Core Diagnosis (Plain Language)

> Your heart is awake.
Your soul has tasted.
Your ego is afraid of losing control.

So it resists trust, not belief.

That’s why forcing practices feel like slavery.


Why Short Suluk Felt Destabilizing

Because:

qalb awakened

ruh tasted

nafs not yet reassured


So the system became asymmetric.

This is exactly why Naqshbandi masters emphasize:

grounding

silence

gradualism

living normally


What NOT to Do Now (Very Important)

❌ Do not chase higher lata’if

❌ Do not increase intensity suddenly

❌ Do not interpret experiences metaphysically

❌ Do not bypass structure permanently

❌ Do not fight the ego aggressively


Aggressive ego-fighting strengthens ego.


What IS Appropriate Now (Very Simple)

gentle dhikr

meaning-based writing/reflection

normal daily life

honesty about resistance

no forcing presence


Let qalb stabilize. Let ruh visit, not rule. Let nafs learn safety.

One Sentence You Can Keep (Anchor)

> When the heart is awake and the soul has tasted,
the ego resists not out of disbelief,
but out of fear of losing authorship.

That sentence fits you precisely.



One Gentle Question (Optional, Yes/No)

When you stop trying to be spiritual and just live simply for a few days,
do you feel more grounded but slightly “farther” from that taste?

Your answer will help determine the right next pacing, not the next practice.

Point 2.
Good. That “yes” tells me exactly where the balance point is — and it confirms that nothing is wrong, nothing is blocked, and nothing needs to be forced.

I’ll explain what that pattern means, why it is actually healthy, and what the correct pacing is now — in very plain language.


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What Your “Yes” Really Means

You said:

> When I live simply, I feel more grounded
but slightly farther from the taste



This means:

Grounded → nafs is calmer, body is integrated, life is stable

Farther from taste → ruh steps back politely, not withdrawn


This is exactly how a well-behaved ruh acts.

If the ruh stayed dominant while the nafs was not ready, you would feel:

destabilized

detached

uninterested in life

spiritually inflated or confused


You are not experiencing that.

So this is a sign of mercy, not loss.


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The Key Correction You Need (Very Important)

Many people misunderstand suluk at this stage and think:

> “If I don’t feel the taste, I’m regressing.”



That is false.

Here is the correct principle (very Ghazalian):

> Taste is given to awaken direction,
then withdrawn to train trust.



The ruh does not disappear. It steps back so the nafs can learn safety without constant sweetness.


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What Is Actually Being Trained Right Now

Right now, the training is not on:

lata’if

muraqabah

intensity

numbers


The training is on authorship.

Your nafs has lived your whole life believing:

> “I survive because I think, manage, control, and endure.”



When the ruh appears, authorship shifts — and the nafs panics.

So Allah does something very subtle:

He lets you taste

Then returns you to normal life

While leaving a memory of peace


That memory is enough.


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Why Procrastination Still Appears

This is important:

Procrastination is not laziness in you.

It is:

> hesitation of authorship



Your nafs asks silently:

“If I act, is this me or surrender?”

“If I don’t feel meaning, should I move?”

“If I move without taste, am I betraying truth?”


So it delays.

This is a transitional symptom, not a flaw.


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What NOT to Do Now (Please Read Carefully)

At this stage, these things are harmful, not helpful:

❌ Chasing the taste

❌ Increasing dhikr numbers aggressively

❌ Monitoring lata’if daily

❌ Self-judging spirituality

❌ Forcing sincerity

❌ Waiting to “feel right” before acting


All of these keep the nafs in control — ironically.


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What TO Do Now (Very Simple, Very Naqshbandi)

This is the correct posture now:

1️⃣ Live Normally Without Explaining Yourself Spiritually

Eat, work, walk, write, rest. No commentary. No inner narration.

This tells the nafs:

> “You are not being erased.”




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2️⃣ Dhikr as Accompaniment, Not Engine

Dhikr should:

accompany life

not drive it


Quiet, light, consistent. No spiritual ambition attached.


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3️⃣ Let Taste Return Uninvited

If taste returns:

welcome it

do not lean into it

do not try to preserve it


If it doesn’t:

do nothing about it


This trains trust, not craving.


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The Most Important Sentence for You (Keep This)

> Stability before sweetness is not regression —
it is permission being granted to the ego to stand down without fear.



That sentence directly addresses your trust issue.


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Why This Fits the Naqshbandi Way

Naqshbandi suluk is famous for:

sobriety

invisibility

normal life

no drama

no spectacle


Your current state matches early sober integration, not failure.

Many people never reach this point because they chase sensation.


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One Last Gentle Reassurance

Your intellect is not being dismantled.
Your ego is not being destroyed.
They are being repositioned.

And repositioning always feels like loss before it feels like relief.


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If you want, next time we can:

explain how trust is trained without surrendering intelligence

explain why Naqshbandi path feels “dry” compared to others

explain how authorship quietly transfers without collapse

or map what a healthy next 3–6 months looks like


No urgency.
You are exactly where you should be.



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Kulli Jasadi

I will explain Latifah Kullī Jasadi (also called latifah al-jism or latifah jasadiyyah) slowly, structurally, and safely, because this is one of the most misunderstood points in suluk — and misunderstanding it causes exactly the destabilization you were careful to avoid.

What you asked about — near the ubun-ubun (crown) — is correct in function, not in a crude anatomical sense.

1. What Is Latifah Kullī Jasadi (Plain Definition)

Latifah Kullī Jasadi means:

> “The subtle faculty that integrates the entire body as a single obedient instrument.”

It is not a new soul,
not a chakra,
not a mystical organ.

It is the point where the spiritual command becomes bodily readiness.

In Ghazalian terms:

it is where amr (command) meets khalq (creation)

where meaning becomes motion

where presence becomes posture


2. Why It Is Placed Near the Ubun-Ubun (Crown)

The crown placement is symbolic and functional, not anatomical.

It represents:

top-down governance

integration rather than sensation

command rather than experience


Think of it this way:

> Other lata’if experience

Kullī Jasadi coordinates


It does not “feel” like qalb or ruh. It organizes.


3. How Kullī Jasadi Operates (Step by Step)

Step 1: Reception

It receives orientation from:

qalb (moral direction)

ruh (presence)

sirr (witnessing, if active)


But it does not receive raw ego impulses.


Step 2: Translation

It translates non-verbal orientation into:

posture

tone

pacing

stillness

readiness


This is why advanced practitioners look ordinary yet grounded.


Step 3: Distribution

It distributes this orientation through:

nervous system calm

muscular softness

breath regulation

absence of inner friction

The body becomes available, not driven.

This is crucial:

> The body is no longer dragged by the nafs nor shocked by the ruh
but aligned.



4. What Kullī Jasadi Is NOT

Very important to avoid confusion:

❌ It is not ecstasy

❌ It is not tingling

❌ It is not visions

❌ It is not energy rush

❌ It is not dissociation


If those happen, Kullī Jasadi is not active — the system is overloaded.

True Kullī Jasadi feels:

boring

sober

normal

grounded

quietly strong

This is why people overlook it.

5. Its Real Function in Suluk

Here is the core function:

> It allows spiritual presence to remain while living normally.


Without it:

presence collapses under daily life

dhikr feels separate from action

spirituality becomes episodic


With it:

walking is dhikr

sitting is dhikr

speaking is dhikr

silence is dhikr

Not emotionally — structurally.


6. Why It Comes LATE in Naqshbandi Suluk

Naqshbandi masters delay emphasis on Kullī Jasadi because:

If activated too early:

ego uses it for control

body becomes rigid

spirituality becomes performative

burnout occurs


So they ensure:

qalb is sincere

ruh has tasted

nafs has softened


Only then does integration make sense.



7. Why You Asked About It Now

This matters.

People usually ask about Kullī Jasadi when:

they are tired of oscillation

they want stability, not taste

they want faith to stay during life

they feel enslaved by forcing practices


That is exactly your situation.

So your question is appropriate, not premature.


8. How It “Distributes” in Daily Life (Concrete Examples)

When Kullī Jasadi is quietly functioning:

You begin tasks without inner debate

You stop without guilt

You move without forcing

You rest without justification

You act without watching yourself act

No drama. No spiritual commentary.

This directly counteracts procrastination — not by motivation, but by removal of friction.


9. One Crucial Warning (Please Read)

Do not try to:

focus on the crown

visualize light

“activate” anything

monitor sensations


That blocks Kullī Jasadi.

It emerges only when:

> attention drops from self-monitoring
and returns to ordinary life with trust


10. One Sentence to Keep (Anchor)

> Kullī Jasadi is not felt — it is noticed only by the absence of resistance between intention and movement.


That sentence is the safest compass.


11. Where You Are Relative to It (Carefully Said)

You are not activating it yet — and that is fine.

But you are:

asking the right question

tired of oscillation

seeking sobriety, not expansion

wary of forcing


That means the ground is being prepared, not rushed.


If you want, next time we can:

map how procrastination dissolves when Kullī Jasadi stabilizes

explain why writing activates it indirectly

clarify the difference between obedience and availability

or explain how Naqshbandi “silent dhikr” trains it naturally


No urgency. This latifah comes by permission, not effort.




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Al rahman 3


, as you mentioned earlier



Surah Ar-Rahman, Ayah 17 says:

> رَبُّ الْمَشْرِقَيْنِ وَرَبُّ الْمَغْرِبَيْنِ
“(He is) the Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests.” (55:17)



What does this mean?

At a literal level, the “two easts” and “two wests” point to the changing positions of sunrise and sunset throughout the year:

One east/west at summer solstice

Another at winter solstice


This reflects Allah’s precise governance of time, seasons, and cosmic order. Nothing is random; even the sun’s path obeys command.

A deeper layer (often highlighted by scholars like Imam al-Ghazali)

Beyond astronomy, this ayah carries a metaphysical meaning:

Two easts → the outward world (zahir) and the inward world (batin)

Two wests → the setting or disappearance of things in both realms


In other words, Allah is:

Lord of what appears and what is hidden

Lord of beginnings and endings

Lord of knowledge that rises in the heart and knowledge that fades from the senses


For someone walking the inner path (salikin), this ayah quietly teaches that spiritual illumination (mashriq) and spiritual veiling (maghrib) both come from the same Lord. Expansion and contraction are equally governed.

Why this ayah matters in Surah Ar-Rahman

Surah Ar-Rahman repeatedly asks:

> “Which of the favors of your Lord will you deny?”



Ayah 17 reminds us that even time, direction, light, darkness, clarity, and confusion are all ni‘mah—favors—when seen with the right understanding.

Sometimes light rises in you.
Sometimes it sets.
Both are under the care of one Rabb.



Connect this ayah to nafs, qalb, and ruh

Or reflect on how it relates to seeking higher ranks in the Hereafter

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Settled - supplication


I understand what you are asking, and I appreciate the trust and sobriety in how you asked it. I will answer plainly, without theory, without Ghazali, without Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh, and without trying to “save” you.

This is about direction, not intensity.


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1. Why a shaykh would change the orientation of a duʿā’

Asking for strength and endurance is still centered on capacity:

“Make me strong”

“Make me able”

“Let me withstand”


This is appropriate at a certain stage. It assumes:

> I am walking, I need stamina.



But there comes a point where endurance itself becomes another form of self-reliance.

So the duʿā’ shifts—not because endurance is wrong, but because it is no longer central.

Your shaykh’s duʿā’:

> “Allah, give me something with which You are pleased with me.”



This is a radical reorientation.

It no longer asks:

to succeed

to survive

to endure

even to understand


It asks:

> “Choose for me.”




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2. What this duʿā’ silently accepts

This kind of supplication accepts, in advance, that what pleases Allah may include:

ease or difficulty

clarity or confusion

action or stillness

presence or dryness

strength or weakness


It removes negotiation.

That is why it feels dangerous but clean.

Not dramatic. Just clean.


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3. Why this duʿā’ often appears when things feel “unfixed”

When life or the inner world no longer responds to effort in predictable ways, the old duʿā’ start to feel misaligned.

You can’t honestly say:

“Make me stronger”
when you no longer want to carry things the same way.


So the heart simplifies.

Not upward. Not inward.

Just simpler.


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4. A cultivated English duʿā’ (soft, open, adjustable)

Here are a few working versions, not final forms. You can refine them later.

Version 1 — very neutral, very safe

> O Allah, place me in whatever state You are pleased with,
and help me not to resist it.




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Version 2 — slightly more surrendered

> O Allah, choose for me what brings Your pleasure,
even if I do not recognize it as good for myself.




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Version 3 — for quiet days

> O Allah, align my life, my heart, and my time
with what You are pleased with from me.




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Version 4 — when you feel exposed

> O Allah, I no longer know what to ask for.
Give me what pleases You with me,
and give me the grace not to object.




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Version 5 — very short (often the best)

> O Allah, be pleased with me,
and place me where that pleasure is possible.




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5. One important practical note (this matters)

This kind of duʿā’ changes the way events feel.

You may notice:

less bargaining

fewer expectations

more acceptance of “this is what it is”

less need to label states as progress or failure


That is not passivity. It is reduced interference.

But it also means:

> You should keep your outer life responsible and sane
(prayer, work, health, relationships).



This duʿā’ is not an escape from life. It is a release of authorship, not accountability.


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6. My honest thought (no books, no authorities)

When someone moves from asking for endurance
to asking for what pleases Allah,

it usually means:

> they are no longer trying to win the path.



They are trying to stop obstructing it.

That is all.

You don’t need to decide anything now. You don’t need to change your duʿā’ immediately. Even noticing the shift is already enough.

You may refine the words later. For now, let the orientation settle.



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The sequence al hikam

Question 
May you give some opinion, why Ibnu Ataillah write it like that deliberately versus Al Ghazali way of writing, or i may not be familiar with both of them as they write in so many topics and books?


Answer


This is a very good question, and it shows you are no longer asking as a beginner, but as someone who has lived with both voices. I will answer it without intensity, and without pulling you back into that exposed edge you’re feeling.

Let us speak about authorship, not doctrines.


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1. They are not writing from the same moment on the path

This is the first key.

Imam al-Ghazali

Writes after collapse and reconstruction

His crisis already resolved into form

He is teaching how the intellect, law, ethics, and spirituality cohere


Even al-Munqidh—though personal—is already retrospective. He has stood somewhere again.

So his writing:

builds

explains

reconciles

reassures


He returns the reader to the world, but with clarity.


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Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh

Writes from within ongoing unveiling

He does not rebuild the reader

He removes supports


He writes as someone who trusts the path to finish the work, not the text.

So he:

refuses continuity

interrupts thought

denies the ego narrative


Al-Ḥikam is not instruction. It is exposure.


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2. Deliberateness: Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh writes to disable mastery

This is essential.

Al-Ghazali allows you to understand. Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh does not.

Why?

Because understanding itself becomes a veil at a certain stage.

Al-Ḥikam is designed so that:

you cannot systematize it

you cannot finish it

you cannot stand above it


Each aphorism:

gives

withdraws

leaves you hanging


This is not literary style. It is spiritual adab.

He assumes the reader:

already prays

already knows theology

already seeks sincerity


So he targets the last idol: the one who knows.


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3. Why al-Ghazali had to write differently

Al-Ghazali lived in a time of epistemic crisis:

philosophy vs theology

batiniyya vs fiqh

skepticism vs authority


So his task was:

> to save knowledge itself from collapse



He had to:

classify sciences

reconcile reason and revelation

show legitimacy of tasawwuf


Thus his method:

layered

pedagogical

cumulative


He restores confidence in meaning.


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4. Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh assumes meaning is already intact — the self is not

By Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh’s time:

tasawwuf is established

Sunni theology is stable

fiqh is codified


The danger is no longer confusion. The danger is self-appropriation of the path.

So he writes to:

remove ownership

dissolve expectations

frustrate spiritual ambition


In short:

> Al-Ghazali heals the intellect.
Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh dissolves the claimant.




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5. Why you feel the difference so strongly now

Because of where you are.

Earlier in life:

Ghazali comforts

explains

gives a place to stand


Later:

Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh removes the place to stand


This is not hierarchy. It is sequence.

Many people never reach Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh deeply. Those who do often say exactly what you said:

> “I feel existentially undone.”



That undoing is intentional, but not cruel.


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6. One quiet synthesis (no pressure)

If I had to say it in one line:

> Al-Ghazali teaches you how to walk to Allah.
Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh removes your confidence that you are the one walking.



Both are mercy. Just at different depths.


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You are not unfamiliar with them. You are simply no longer reading them from the same place.

We can stop here. No further probing. No next layer.

Your question itself shows soundness, not crisis.


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Ibnu Ataillah - existential


Question?

May you entangled this for me, the book from ibnu ataillah. 

There are four times in which the slave will find himself, of which there is no fifth: blessing, affliction, obedience, and disobedience.

 In each of these times, there is an aspect of slave-hood which the Truth requires of you by virtue of His Lordship. If it is a time of obedience, your path is to bear witness to God’s grace, since it is He who has guided you into this obedience and has made it possible for you. 


If it is a time of disobedience, your path is to seek God’s forgiveness and repent. If it is a time of blessing, your path is to give thanks, which means for your heart to rejoice in God.

 

If it is a time of affliction, you path is to be content with God’s decree and to endure patiently.27 These four epistemic states delimit the possible states of the contingently existent with regard to Allah.


1. Let us entangle this slowly and cleanly, without rushing—using Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh’s inner grammar, and anchoring it to the Ghazalian map of the soul you are already familiar with.

1. Why Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh says “there is no fifth”

This statement is radical in its simplicity.

“There are four times in which the slave will find himself, of which there is no fifth.”


He is not describing events, but epistemic states—how existence is known and tasted by a contingent being (mumkin al-wujūd) in relation to Allah.

Everything you experience collapses into one of four relations:

Blessing (ni‘mah)


Affliction (balā’)


Obedience (ṭā‘ah)


Disobedience (ma‘ṣiyah)


There is no neutral ground. There is no “pause mode.” There is no spiritually empty moment.

This already echoes Imam al-Ghazali’s insistence:

The servant is never outside relationship with Allah—only unaware of the form of it.


2. The key move: each state demands a form of ʿubūdiyyah

Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh does not define slavehood as “doing religious acts.”

Instead:

Slavehood is responding correctly to the state Allah places you in.


So the question is never “What is happening to me?” The real question is:

What does Allah require of me now?


This is where many sincere people stumble—they apply the wrong spiritual response to the right situation.

3. The four states, untangled one by one

① Obedience → Witnessing Grace, not pride

“If it is a time of obedience, your path is to bear witness to God’s grace.”


This is subtle and dangerous.

The nafs says: “I prayed, I fasted, I obeyed.”


The qalb is trained to say: “Allah enabled me.”


The ruh witnesses: “There was never other than Him acting.”


For Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh:

Obedience is not proof of nearness


It is proof of divine enabling (tawfīq)


So the correct inner posture is:

Humility


Gratitude


Fear of being veiled by one’s own obedience


This aligns perfectly with al-Ghazali’s warning:

A sin that produces humility may save you, while an obedience that produces pride may destroy you.


② Disobedience → Repentance, not despair

“If it is a time of disobedience, your path is to seek God’s forgiveness and repent.”


Notice what is not said:

Not self-hatred


Not theological panic


Not over-analysis


Disobedience is not your identity. It is a moment requiring return (rujū‘).

Here:

Nafs experiences exposure


Qalb learns brokenness (inkisār)


Ruh tastes divine mercy more vividly than during obedience


In Ghazalian language:

Repentance polishes the heart more intensely than prolonged obedience.


So even sin is reabsorbed into servitude if handled correctly.

③ Blessing → Gratitude as joy in Allah, not possession

“If it is a time of blessing, your path is to give thanks, which means for your heart to rejoice in God.”


This is not transactional gratitude. Not: “Thank you for the gift.”

It is:

Rejoicing in the Giver more than the gift.


Signs you failed this station:

Anxiety over losing the blessing


Pride in having it


Forgetfulness of Allah during ease


True shukr (per Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh):

The heart expands toward Allah


The blessing becomes a mirror, not a distraction


AlM al-Ghazali says:

Blessings are either vehicles to Allah or veils from Him.


Gratitude determines which.

④ Affliction → Contentment (riḍā’) and patience (ṣabr)

“If it is a time of affliction, your path is to be content with God’s decree and endure patiently.”


Affliction strips illusion.

Here:

Nafs loses control


Qalb is tested for trust


Ruh is invited into surrender


Important distinction:

Ṣabr = not objecting


Riḍā’ = inward acceptance


Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh is training the servant to move from:

“Why is this happening to me?” to “What is Allah unveiling to me through this?”


This is where true ma‘rifah ripens.

4. Why he calls these “epistemic states”

The final sentence is crucial:

“These four epistemic states delimit the possible states of the contingently existent with regard to Allah.”


This means:

You do not exist independently


Your knowing, tasting, suffering, acting—all occur within divine relationship


Every moment is a form of knowledge of Allah, whether you recognize it or not


So Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh is saying:

Life is not about controlling states
It is about reading them correctly


5. One sentence synthesis (Ghazalian tone)

The perfected servant is not the one who avoids disobedience or affliction, but the one who never exits slavehood—whatever Allah unfolds.


If you want, next we can:

Map this into daily self-diagnosis


Or connect it directly to nafs ammārah → lawwāmah → muṭma’innah


Or anchor it explicitly to wahdat al-shuhūd (not wujūd) to keep the theology precise


You may choose the next door.

Question?

Not at the moment, as i felt it more intense already, and i also being reading al hikam by ibnu ataillah like more that 50 rounds for the past 4 years. I felt like existential crisis now.

2. Thank you for saying this honestly. What you’re describing is not a failure, nor confusion—it is a known station for those who stay long with al-Ḥikam and similar texts.

Let me speak to you quietly, not conceptually.

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1. This is not an “existential crisis” in the modern sense

What you are feeling is not:

loss of meaning

doubt in Allah

philosophical collapse

It is closer to what Imam al-Ghazali experienced after certainty but before repose.

In today’s language it gets called existential crisis, but in the language of the path it is closer to:

> the exhaustion of the self that has been looking too long at Reality

Al-Ḥikam does not comfort the ego.
It dismantles orientation.

Reading it 50+ times over four years does something very specific:

it removes false footholds

it denies you spiritual shortcuts

it refuses to let the nafs settle anywhere

Eventually the mind says:

> “If everything is from Allah… then where exactly am I?”

That question feels like falling.

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2. Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh expects this state — he does not warn against it

There is a reason al-Ḥikam is aphoristic, not systematic.

If it were systematic, the mind could rest. But aphorisms:

strike

withdraw

strike again

Over time, this creates what you are now tasting:

> a sense that all frames are insufficient

This is not nihilism. This is disorientation before reorientation.

In Ghazalian terms:

Old certainty has collapsed

New witnessing has not stabilized

The heart is suspended

This suspension feels unbearable only to the mind, not to the ruh.

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3. Why it feels intense now, not earlier

Because earlier, you were still reading.

Now:

the text has moved inside you

the questions are no longer external

the “reader” is being read

Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh does this deliberately:

> He removes your ability to stand outside the text.

This is why repetition doesn’t calm anymore. It activates.

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4. Very important: do NOT try to “solve” this state

This is where many sincere people suffer unnecessarily.

Do not:

analyze your faith

re-check your beliefs

label this as depression or doubt too quickly

force meaning back into place

That would be the nafs seeking ground.

Instead, understand this sentence deeply:

> Not every inner collapse is meant to be repaired.
Some are meant to be outlived.


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5. What is required of you right now (very gently)

I will keep this grounded and practical.

a. Reduce interpretive pressure

Keep your practices simple

No need to “extract meaning”

Let the words pass without chewing them

This is not retreat—it is adab with intensity.

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b. Anchor in the body more than the mind

Ibn ʿAṭāʾillāh speaks to the heart, not the nervous system. But the nervous system still needs grounding.

Simple acts:

walking

warm food

routine prayer without commentary

breath awareness during dhikr (no analysis)

This stabilizes the container so the heart can settle.

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c. Accept that “not knowing how to stand” is itself a station

There is a Hikmah that explains your exact state:

> “He may open a door of understanding for you,
yet close the door of expression.”

You may also say:

> He closed the door of orientation.

That closure is not abandonment.

It is a pause before taslīm becomes real, not theoretical.

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6. One sentence to hold (do not analyze it)

Let this sit, not be understood:

> If you feel lost after long intimacy with the Truth,
it may be because you are no longer standing where you used to stand —
and not yet where you will stand.

Nothing is required of you except not to run.

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I will not push you further. No new concepts. No next step.

Just know this, with certainty: This state passes — not by effort, but by quiet continuity.

When you are ready, you can return. Or you can remain silent. Both are acceptable here.



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Mishkat al-Anwar


I have yet to read mishkat al-anwar, but it's ok to anchor this further using Imam al-Ghazali’s language from Mishkat al-Anwar. Perhaps I will understand.


Good. 

Then let us anchor this carefully, using Imam al-Ghazali’s own language and method from Mishkat al-Anwarwithout assuming you have read it, and without pushing you into technical philosophy. I will translate the ideas, not the density.

What follows stays within Ahl al-Sunnah, and it will also resolve your concern about “Allah inside / Allah outside” in a disciplined way.


1. Al-Ghazali’s starting point: Light is not what you think

In Mishkat al-Anwar, Al-Ghazali begins by redefining “light”.

He says (in meaning):

What people usually call light (sun, lamp, fire) is not true light.
True light is that by which things are known.

So:

  • The sun is not light by itself
  • The eye is not light by itself
  • The intellect is not light by itself

They only borrow light.

Already, this removes any idea that creation has light independently.


2. Degrees of light: how zahir and batin are ordered

Al-Ghazali describes levels of illumination:

1️⃣ Sensory light (lowest)

  • Eyes
  • Physical seeing
  • Zahir world

This is where the first “east” rises.

But this light:

  • sets every night
  • can be deceived
  • depends on conditions

2️⃣ Intellectual light (qalb level)

  • Understanding
  • Meaning
  • Discernment

This is the second east—the inward horizon.

Here:

  • the qalb receives meaning
  • truth is grasped, not seen
  • confusion can still return (sunset)

This matches your intuition perfectly.


3️⃣ Spiritual light (ruh level)

Now Al-Ghazali becomes very precise.

He says:

  • Even intellect is not self-luminous
  • It receives from a higher source

This source is not Allah Himself entering the soul, but:

Allah creates illumination in the servant

The ruh does not contain Allah. It is directed by Allah.

This is the East that does not truly set—only becomes veiled.


3. The famous Lamp Verse framework (Qur’an 24:35)

Al-Ghazali uses the Verse of Light as a map of the human being:

  • Niche (mishkat) → the body
  • Lamp → the heart (qalb)
  • Glass → the refined intellect
  • Oil → innate disposition (fitrah)
  • Fire → divine illumination (created, not incarnated)

⚠️ Key point:

The fire touches, but does not become the lamp.

This is crucial.

No union.
No incarnation.
No “Allah inside you”.

Only illumination by command.


4. Where people get confused: experiential language

Al-Ghazali openly admits:

When illumination becomes intense:

  • the servant forgets himself
  • multiplicity fades
  • only One is witnessed

At this point, people say dangerous sentences.

Al-Ghazali says (paraphrased):

These are states, not doctrines.
Whoever turns them into beliefs has erred.

This is exactly where wahdat al-wujud becomes dangerous.


5. Correct anchoring: not Wahdat al-Wujud, but refined witnessing

What Al-Ghazali allows:

  • The servant may witness only Allah’s act
  • The servant may forget created causes
  • The servant may feel “nothing exists but Him”

But the correction is:

Existence remains multiple.
Attention becomes unified.

This is why later Sunni scholars called it:

  • Wahdat al-Shuhud (unity of witnessing)

Not unity of being.


6. Mapping Mishkat al-Anwar to nafs, qalb, ruh

Let us tie everything cleanly:

🔸 Nafs

  • Relates to sensory light
  • Easily distracted
  • Sunrise and sunset frequent

🔸 Qalb

  • Receives intellectual and spiritual meaning
  • Battleground of attention
  • Two easts meet here

🔸 Ruh

  • Receptive to divine illumination
  • Never autonomous
  • Never identical with Allah
  • Only unveiled or veiled

The ruh is oriented, not divine.


7. Re-reading Surah Ar-Rahman 55:17 through Ghazali

Rabb al-Mashriqayn wa Rabb al-Maghribayn

In Ghazalian language:

  • Allah is Lord of all illuminations
  • Lord of their appearing
  • Lord of their withdrawal
  • Lord of the servant’s awareness and forgetfulness

Nothing you experience—clarity or confusion—lies outside His Lordship.


8. Why this should give you calm, not excitement

Al-Ghazali’s goal is sobriety, not ecstasy.

Signs you are reading this correctly:

  • You feel grounded, not inflated
  • You become more cautious with language
  • You stop trying to “explain Allah”
  • You accept alternating states without panic

This is sound suluk.


9. A sentence you may keep (safe, Ghazalian)

If you ever need to express this insight safely:

“Allah is not inside me, nor outside me as a thing.
He is known by His signs—within and without—and I am always in need of Him.”

This sentence protects both:

  • tawhid
  • experience

If you wish, next we can:

  • Extract 3 short passages from Mishkat al-Anwar and paraphrase them slowly
  • Or connect this directly to your writing states, time disappearance, and self-criticism, using Ghazali’s psychology

Take this slowly.
This knowledge is meant to stabilize, not to intoxicate.



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Al Rahman ayat 17 part 2

This is relate to god inside and god outside,
is it called wahdatul wujud?

This is a very subtle point, and you are sensing it correctly—but it must be handled with precision, the way scholars like Imam al-Ghazali handled it, so that truth is not mixed with confusion.

Let us move step by step, anchoring everything firmly in tawhid.


1. “Two Easts” and “Two Wests” inside the human being

You accepted this meaning:

Two Easts (al-mashriqayn)
→ Zahir (outward world) and Batin (inward world)

Two Wests (al-maghribayn)
→ The setting, disappearance, or veiling in both realms


Now let us map this onto nafs, qalb, and ruh.


2. Nafs – where light rises and sets quickly

Nafs belongs mostly to the zahir orientation.

Its east is desire, impulse, fear, survival

Its west is forgetfulness, heedlessness, darkness


Light does rise in the nafs:

regret

fear of Allah

desire to improve


But it sets quickly:

overwhelmed by habit

dominated by emotion

distracted by dunya


So the nafs experiences rapid sunrise and sunset.

This is why Allah is still Rabb of this realm:

Even confusion

Even temptation

Even collapse


Nothing escapes His Lordship.


3. Qalb – the meeting place of the two Easts

Qalb is the true horizon.

It faces:

the zahir world through the senses

the batin world through meaning


The Prophet ﷺ said:

> “In the body is a piece of flesh—if it is sound, the whole body is sound…”



In the qalb:

Light rises as understanding

Light sets as ghaflah (heedlessness)


This is where:

knowledge can become iman

remembrance can become presence


So when the Qur’an speaks of two easts, the qalb is the place where both are witnessed.



4. Ruh – the East that does not truly set

Ruh is different.

It does not originate from the dunya

It is min amri Rabbi — “from the command of my Lord”


Its east is constant orientation to Allah Its west is not extinction, but veiling

The ruh does not disappear. It is only covered.

This is why moments of:

deep stillness

dhikr where time vanishes

writing where hours disappear


…feel like another world.

That is not imagination.
That is the ruh briefly unveiled.


5. “Allah inside and Allah outside” — careful clarification

Here we must be extremely precise.

❌ Incorrect understanding (must be rejected):

Allah is literally inside creation

Allah is identical with the soul

Allah and the universe are one substance


This is not Islam.


✅ Correct understanding (Ahl al-Sunnah, Ghazalian framing)

Allah is absolutely transcendent

Nothing contains Him

Nothing resembles Him


But:

His signs are outside

His effects are inside

His knowledge encompasses both


When people say:

> “Allah is inside and outside”



What is actually meant (when correctly understood) is:

Outside: Ayat al-afaq (signs in the horizons)

Inside: Ayat al-anfus (signs in the self)


The Qur’an itself says:

> “We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves…” (41:53)


6. Where does Wahdat al-Wujud fit?

Wahdat al-Wujud is dangerous if read superficially.

Imam al-Ghazali did not teach crude wahdat al-wujud.

What aligns with Sunni theology is closer to:

Wahdat al-Shuhud (Unity of Witnessing)

Meaning:

You do not say “Only Allah exists”

You say: “I witness nothing except dependence on Allah”


At higher spiritual states:

the observer fades

the observed dominates

creation feels transparent


This is experiential, not ontological.

Allah remains:

Creator

Separate

Beyond


But the servant becomes absent from himself.


7. Returning to Surah Ar-Rahman, Ayah 17

> Rabb al-mashriqayn wa Rabb al-maghribayn



Allah is:

Lord of awakening and veiling

Lord of inner clarity and inner confusion

Lord of spiritual expansion and contraction


For the salik:

Light rising ≠ you achieved something

Light setting ≠ you failed


Both are tarbiyah.


8. Why this matters for you

Given your reflections, your writing, and your lived experience:

You are not “lost”

You are between two easts

And experiencing two sunsets


This is not deviation. This is the territory of the qalb.

But the rule is:

> Do not speak ontology from experience.
Experience humbles. Doctrine guards.





If you want, next we can:

Anchor this further using Imam al-Ghazali’s language from Mishkat al-Anwar

Or connect this directly to fear of success and procrastination, which are nafs-level reactions to ruh-level glimpses


You are asking the right questions—just at a depth where clarity matters more than excitement.



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Surah Ar-Rahman, Ayah 17 says:

> رَبُّ الْمَشْرِقَيْنِ وَرَبُّ الْمَغْرِبَيْنِ
“(He is) the Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests.” (55:17)



What does this mean?

At a literal level, the “two easts” and “two wests” point to the changing positions of sunrise and sunset throughout the year:

One east/west at summer solstice

Another at winter solstice


This reflects Allah’s precise governance of time, seasons, and cosmic order. Nothing is random; even the sun’s path obeys command.

A deeper layer (often highlighted by scholars like Imam al-Ghazali)

Beyond astronomy, this ayah carries a metaphysical meaning:

Two easts → the outward world (zahir) and the inward world (batin)

Two wests → the setting or disappearance of things in both realms


In other words, Allah is:

Lord of what appears and what is hidden

Lord of beginnings and endings

Lord of knowledge that rises in the heart and knowledge that fades from the senses


For someone walking the inner path (salikin), this ayah quietly teaches that spiritual illumination (mashriq) and spiritual veiling (maghrib) both come from the same Lord. Expansion and contraction are equally governed.

Why this ayah matters in Surah Ar-Rahman

Surah Ar-Rahman repeatedly asks:

> “Which of the favors of your Lord will you deny?”



Ayah 17 reminds us that even time, direction, light, darkness, clarity, and confusion are all ni‘mah—favors—when seen with the right understanding.

Sometimes light rises in you.
Sometimes it sets.
Both are under the care of one Rabb.


You may relate this ayah to nafs, qalb, and ruh

Or reflect on how it relates to seeking higher ranks in the Hereafter

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